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When did they start using 02 sensors in a diesel engine?
I don't know for sure, but I think in that mess somewhere on the 6.7 exhaust might be a O2 sensor?
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Yeah! Uh, you mean my fuel magnets and fuel tornado are snake oil?
No their still good stuff, also I found out yesterday when I was at the stealer from some young salesman, if I change the plugs on my 12v I'll get better milage too.
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No their still good stuff, also I found out yesterday when I was at the stealer from some young salesman, if I change the plugs on my 12v I'll get better milage too.
huh, I did not know that, you gonna go with splitfires????

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If such a device actually worked, it would be as marketable as a Smarty, Edge, Banks, BullyDog, and many others. It would be sitting on the same shelf as those products and manufactured by a well known manufacturer like the above names mentioned.

The above products are proven to work. In many different tests used, beside the seat of the pants test which sold more than you can count, those products work.

Any product that can only be had as a do it yourself instructions, in my experiance, never works. This way the author of those instructions can never to be blamed if it doesnt work as it "should". "You didnt do something right, use the right parts, missed a step or substituted something", is allways the author's reply.

Heck, in the light of the new "green" push nonsense and the presidents push to eliminate carbon emmissions, if that device worked with any reasonable results, it would be an OEM fitted device.
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You can't have free energy. The 1st law of thermodynamics would like a word with you.
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Do a search on Nord......he laid it all out...........you think we all wouldn't like to save money? We just are not blind to the facts of chemistry and big business. If there was efficiency to be made with the system, every fleet in the U.S. would be using it.
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We have all heard of this, water added to the injection event creates a more complete burn. It is marketed by the big companies, they call it water meth injection. Diesel power did an article on HHO, and although you can't run your vehicle on it exclusively there is evidence of an increase in mpg's.

As far as everyone doing it if it worked, we all know a programmer with a little more fuel and a little more timing can reap mpg benefits, but every fleet in the US doesn't have a SMARTY. Just because everyone isn't doing it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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HMM sounds like a sales pitch.


Yeah, and selling "snake oil" to boot!!!!
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We have all heard of this, water added to the injection event creates a more complete burn. It is marketed by the big companies, they call it water meth injection. Diesel power did an article on HHO, and although you can't run your vehicle on it exclusively there is evidence of an increase in mpg's.

As far as everyone doing it if it worked, we all know a programmer with a little more fuel and a little more timing can reap mpg benefits, but every fleet in the US doesn't have a SMARTY. Just because everyone isn't doing it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
First, water meth injection does 2 things.
1) Meth is a fuel, it burns. So of course you increase your MPG and power when you burn it also. But no one ever figures in the gallons of meth that you are using. Meth contains less energy per gallon than diesel, so you are burning more of that to make the same power of just adding more diesel.
2) Water cools things down because it absorbs heat when it turns to steam. This is good for keeping EGT's in check.

Burning HHO that is obtained by performing electrolysis is a completely different concept than burning a meth/water mix, and for it to work we would have to throw the 1st law of thermodynamics out the window. If it worked we could build a perpetual motion machine that actually outputs more energy than we put into it using the technology.
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I have a system on my truck now. I have a 2 dry cell system. I have gotten absolutely NO increase in mileage. I am up to 6 tbsps of the Potassium Hydroxide, (they call for 2-3) in order to get to 25-27 amps draw, and I am seeing the bubbles, but it has had no effect on my truck whatsoever.
I have read that a diesel requires more than a gasser, which is why I went with 2 cells. I am debating whether to go with a 3rd cell, or return the entire system.
Fortunately the seller is local.
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