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Old 09-07-2015
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Not sure if I'm posting this in the right spot. I currently have a '96 3500 4x4 with a five speed. It's got 300K on it and I'm worried about repairs (just spent $1500 in repairs while on vacation towing a 11000lb fifth wheel). The truck struggles with my trailer, egt's are constantly 1000-1200 degrees, engine temp around 215-220, it has a 4" exhaust and BHAF, southbend clutch. I've been thinking about upgrading to a newer truck (2003-2007 with a 6spd) but I'm curious if they have more power and could handle the load better. My toyhauler will be around 14000lbs when loaded. Thanks for any advice.
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Would the newer truck be a 3500? Any upgrades?
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Yeah, definetely a 3500 (dually). Probably would do some up upgrades (chip, exhaust, air intake and gauges). I've had three 12valve trucks and one 24 valve, three with manuals and one auto. i didn't like the auto for towing which is pretty much all I use the truck for. The problem I've encountered in the past is that with upgrades the egt's go up and the engine temp goes up, which is fine for quick acceleration from a stop, but not practical for pulling long grades.
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(New older project) 1996 4wd extended cab dually 280K, 5spd. 4:10 gears. Timing at 15 degrees, 4" straight pipe, BHAF, Glowshift gauges SOLD

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You should look into twins.
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I have been in the same boat for a year or so. Everything i have looked at offers you no more capacity the 2nd duallies. All around 4200lb payload and 15k towing. Until you get to 2013 is when the up'd the payload capacities. I agree with the twins. Twin the truck and it will pull great.
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I regularly have combined weights of near 24k, I opened up the airpath to help move the heat away. Use some common sense with any combination...It's the stopping, not the moving that ia the problem.....Only thing to say is injectors are expensive and my third gen is slow, 93 mph is it, all in, all done. I think it would pull my camper near 93 mph...the '06 in the sig pulls like a runaway freight train. I want a bigger camper and that will require a dually. Not til then will I do anything different.
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I agree there. I am pulling 16k all the time hardly ever drive it unloaded. The only thing I lack when the exhaust brake wasn't on was braking. The 3rd gen for sure has better braking I loved my 3rd gen. I however do not love the price for parts. Cp3 is expensive compared to vp44 and nv5600 is 3x the price as my nv4500. All in all can you go wrong with either one? No. There are positives and negatives to each.
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Paul,
Make the trip to see Max and get a set of towing twins, you won't regret it.
If twins aren't in your future look at Sno-Performance Tow-Max Methanol injection kit. You can use just plain distilled water and it will reduce your EGT's by 300*.
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Great info, thanks fellas!
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Paul,
Make the trip to see Max and get a set of towing twins, you won't regret it.
If twins aren't in your future look at Sno-Performance Tow-Max Methanol injection kit. You can use just plain distilled water and it will reduce your EGT's by 300*.
For those of us who have been absent for awhile, who is Max (MaxTorq?) and is there a link to the towing twin turbo setup?

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